I do not want to rely on changes in human morality to make a system work. It's seems to me that what I want to do is to assume human beings are going to be about the way they are and to see if I can figure out institutions that will produce about the results I want. I think that one of the approaches some of the libertarians have used is that we convert everybody to be a libertarian and then the problem disappears. The experiment's been done... A couple of hundreds years ago... Didn't work very well, right? I mean - the constitution was pretty good constitution as such things go but didn't enforce itself. (...) This has partly to do with my disagreement with both Rothbard and Rand, because both of them imagined that the solution is to get the philosophy right and then everybody will agree. And what I want to do is to say - let's actually have a competing market to generate your law rather than having libertarian legal philosophers persuade everybody else what the right law is.